President Bush and Palestinian Authority President Abbas Participate in Joint Press Availability
by Muqata Ramallah
11:12 A.M. (Local)
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) Your Excellency, President George Bush, President of the United States of America, I welcome you in Ramallah, as well as in Bethlehem, on the land of Palestine, that welcomes you today as a great guest, that goes with him, commitment towards the peace process. It's a historic visit that gives our people great hope in the fact that your great nation is standing and supporting their dream and their yearning towards freedom and independence and living in peace in this area, alongside their neighbors.
Our people will not forget Your Excellency, your invitation and your commitment towards the establishment of an independent Palestinian state. You are the first American President that confirms and reiterates this right.
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PRESIDENT BUSH: I haven't got it yet. You may have to start over. (Laughter.) Not yet. You better stay awake. (Laughter.)
PRESIDENT ABBAS: Our people, Your Excellency --
PRESIDENT BUSH: I agree completely. (Laughter.)
PRESIDENT ABBAS: Your commitment towards an establishment of an independent Palestinian state -- you are the first American President to reiterate this right. The conferences of Annapolis and Paris were an historic step from you and from the American people and the world as a whole to perfect this commitment and push it forward.
Our Palestinian people, who committed to peace as a strategic option, want to see, through your support and your intervention, and end to its suffering and the suffering of its people and their families, and wants to move freely in their homeland, and develop their life and their economy without any obstacles that hinder that progress, and without a separation wall that fragments the land, and without settlements that is governing its land and future. We want to see a different future where prisons are not crowded with thousands of prisoners, and where hospitals are not crowded with tens of innocent victims every day, without checkpoints and queues of ordinary people who suffer from humiliation and siege.
I would like to point out here that we instructed our government to continue the work towards enhancing security and imposing public order, and establishing good governance that is based on the rule of law, and to consolidate the role of our democratic institutions and strengthen the work of the civil society, as well as work on consolidating development and administrative and financial reform and transparency, so that we can lay the foundations for a modern and democratic state.
And the government is taking intensive steps in that direction, and I would like to express our appreciation for the support of your administration in the economic sphere in order to develop the infrastructure and provide new job opportunities, and improve the level of services and all other projects that contribute in improving the lives and the conditions of living for our people.
We and our Israeli neighbors, and under your direct sponsorship -- bilateral negotiations that address all issues of final status are core issues -- that we would like to end these negotiations during your term in office and that we -- it will be ending by the -- ending of the occupation that started in 1967, and that establishment of an independent Palestinian state, and its capital, Jerusalem, based on your vision and the international resolutions, and that we find a fair solution for the tragedy of refugees, according to the Arab initiative for peace and according to the U.N. resolutions.
And on this occasion I would like to reiterate before you our commitment to all our obligations that we agreed to. And we call upon Israel, as well, to fulfill its commitments according to the road map plan, because we firmly believe that peace is made by a will and a shared commitment among all parties.
Your historic visit today to the Palestinian Territories is highly appreciated by our people, and it's a new expression of your deep commitment towards establishing peace on the land of peace. We appreciate the complete seriousness that characterizes your visit and your efforts today to continue and build and capitalize on this important opportunity that is available to us and to the Israelis.
We start with you a new year, hoping that this will be the year for the creation of peace. You will hear today in Bethlehem the call for prayers from the mosques, and the heralding of bells at the Church of Nativity, that confirms our common message, the message of human tolerance and real peace that is deeply rooted in our conscience and in our heritage. Your presence today amongst us, Your Excellency, is a reiteration for the call for comprehensive and just peace that you called for and you committed yourself to. And the echo of this call reaches all the people and the countries in our region, because the voice that is now going out of Palestine is the closest and the deepest in reaching the hearts of all the people in the region.
Please, Your Excellency, trust that peace in the world starts from here, from the Holy Land. We welcome you again, our dear guest and our dear friend, here in Palestine.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Mr. President, thank you for your hospitality. We have met a lot in the past and I'm glad to finally have a chance to sit down in your office to discuss important issues.
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I have had numerous opportunities to visit with the President. And the fundamental question I have is whether or not he is committed to peace. It's the same question I had for the Prime Minister of Israel. And I've come to the conclusion that both men understand the importance to democratic states living side by side in peace.
President Abbas was elected on a platform of peace. In other words, he just wasn't somebody who starts talking about it lately, he campaigned on it. He also said that if you give me a chance, I'll work to improve the lives of the average Palestinians, and that's what he has done. It's certainly not easy work. The conditions on the ground are very difficult and, nevertheless, this man and his government not only works for a vision, but also works to improve the lives of the average citizens, which is essential for the emergence of a Palestinian democracy.
I talked to him today about how -- what we can do to help and, as he mentioned, the United States has been an active financial giver, we helped at the Paris Conference. I firmly believe that the Palestinians are entrepreneurial people who, if just given a chance, will be able to grow their businesses and provide jobs.
We talked about the need to fight off the extremists. The world in which we live is a dangerous world because there are people who murder innocent people to achieve political objectives, not just here in this immediate part of the world, but around the world. That's what we're dealing with in Iraq and Afghanistan and Lebanon. And the fundamental question is, will nations stand up and help those who understand the ideological struggle we're in. And the President understands the ideological struggle. He knows that a handful of people want to dash the aspirations of the Palestinian people by creating chaos and violence.
And I appreciate that, Mr. President. And I appreciate your understanding that, ultimately, the way to achieve peace is to offer an alternative vision, and that's a vision based upon liberty.
Now, look, there are some in the world who don't believe in the universality of freedom. I understand that. They say, like, freedom is okay for some of us, but maybe not all of us. I understand it, but I reject it. I believe in the universality of freedom. I believe, deep in the soul of every man, woman, and child on the face of this Earth is the desire to live in a free society. And I also believe free societies yield peace. And, therefore, this notion of two states living side by side in peace is based upon the universality of freedom, and if given a chance, the Palestinian people will work for freedom.
And that's a challenge ahead of us -- is, is it possible for the Israelis and the Palestinians to work out their differences on core issues so that a vision can emerge? And my answer is, absolutely, it's possible. Not only is it possible, it's necessary. And I'm looking forward to helping.
You know, there's a great anticipation that all the American President has got to do is step in, and just say, okay, this is the way it's going to be. That's not how the system works. In order for there to be lasting peace, President Abbas and Prime Minister Olmert have to come together and make tough choices. And I'm convinced they will. And I believe it's possible -- not only possible, I believe it's going to happen, that there will be a signed peace treaty by the time I leave office. That's what I believe. And the reason I believe that is because I hear the urgency in the voice of both the Prime Minister of Israel and the President of the Palestinian Authority.
Is it going to be hard work? You bet. And we can help support these negotiations, and will. I was asked yesterday at a press conference, you know, what do you intend to do; if you're not going to write the agreement, what do you intend to do? I said, nudge the process forward -- like, pressure; be a pain if I need to be a pain -- which in some people's mind isn't all that hard. And they said, well, like -- yesterday, somebody said, well, are you disappointed? I arrived and it nudged the process forward. In other words, we can help influence the process, and will. But the only lasting peace will be achieved when the duly elected leaders of the respective peoples do the hard work.
And so I want to help. And I want to help in the region, as well, Mr. President. The rest of my trip will be talking about, obviously, security threats, but also the opportunity to achieve peace. And the Arab world has got an opportunity and obligation, in my judgment, to help both parties in these negotiations move the process forward.
I explained yesterday, and I just want to explain again today, there are three tracks to this process, as far as we're concerned. One is the negotiations to define a vision that will be subject to the road map.
Secondly is to resolve -- help resolve road map issues. And today I introduced the President to the General -- three-star Air Force General who will be running this process. We have agreed to a trilateral process and want to help the Israelis and the Palestinians resolve their differences over road map issues.
And thirdly is to help the Palestinians develop the infrastructure necessary for a democracy -- an economy -- and security forces that are capable of doing what the President and the Prime Minister want to have done. And we're very much engaged. I'm looking forward to seeing Tony Blair tomorrow, who is the Quartet's representative, and to find out what he has been doing and what progress is being made.
I am confident that with proper help, the state of Palestine will emerge. And I'm confident that when it emerges it will be a major step towards peace. I am confident that the status quo is unacceptable, Mr. President, and we want to help you. And I appreciate your vision, and I appreciate your courage, and I appreciate your hospitality. And I appreciate you giving me a chance to talk to the press, of course. (Laughter.)
A couple of questions, I understand.
Q Mr. President Abu Mazen, what are the results of this visit? Mr. President Bush, you said more than once that the Palestinian side must fulfill its obligations. And Mr. Fayyad has had a security plan to help the peace. And when Mr. Fayyad went to Annapolis he commended that security plan, and then Israel destroyed all those efforts in Annapolis. How can the Palestinian Authority do security efforts that are successful, and while Israel destroys and undermines all their efforts in the occupied territories?
The other side of the question: Are you willing to give guarantees for the Palestinian side to declaring a freezing on settlements immediately? Thank you.
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) We are fully satisfied with the outcome that we reached through this visit of Mr. President George Bush. We spoke about all topics that might occur to your mind and that might not occur to your mind, as well. All the issues are in agreement. We are agreed on all topics. All topics are clear.
In the near future, in the coming few days, we are going to meet in bilateral negotiations with the Israelis in order to discuss the final status negotiations, final status issues. And as Mr. President said, there are three themes -- the other theme is implementing the road map through the committee, the trilateral committee. And the third point is the economic and security conditions in Palestinian Territories. We have great hopes that during 2008 we will reach the final status and a peace treaty with Israel.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Each side has got obligations under the road map. Settlements are clearly stated in the road map obligations for Israel. We have made our concerns about expansion of settlements known, and we expect both parties to honor their obligations under the road map.
Secondly, we're spending -- General Dayton is spending a lot of time trying to help the President and the Prime Minister develop security forces that are effective. There's no question in my mind the commitment to provide security for the average citizen is strong. The question is the capabilities. And the truth of the matter is there needs to be a fair amount of work done to make sure that the security forces are modernized, well-trained and prepared, with a proper chain of command to respond. And I will tell you I firmly believe the security forces are improving.
I remember our visit in New York, and we discussed this during the U.N. General Assembly. And by any objective measurement, the Palestinian security forces in the West Bank are improving.
And so my message to the Israelis is that they ought to help, not hinder, the modernization of the Palestinian security force. It's in their interests that a government dedicated to peace and understanding the need for two states to live side by side in peace have a modern force.
It's got -- very important for the government to be able to assure people that if there is a need, there will be an effective force to provide security. That's just step one of having credibility with the people. And to the extent that Israeli actions have undermined the effectiveness of the Palestinian force, or the authority of the state relative to the average citizen, is something that we don't agree with and have made our position clear.
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Q -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT BUSH: No, that's the road map obligation I was talking about.
Q -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes. He's asking me about the checkpoints I drove through and my impression about what it was like to drive through checkpoints. I can understand why the Palestinians are frustrated driving through checkpoints. I can also understand that until confidence is gained on both sides, why the Israelis would want there to be a sense of security. In other words, they don't want a state on their border from which attacks would be launched. I can understand that. Any reasonable person can understand that. Why would you work to have a state on your border if you weren't confident they'd be a partner in peace?
And so checkpoints create frustrations for people. They create a sense of security for Israel; they create massive frustrations for the Palestinians. You'll be happy to hear that my motorcade of a mere 45 cars was able to make it through without being stopped. (Laughter.) But I'm not so exactly sure that's what happens to the average person. And so the whole object is to create a state that is capable of defending itself internally, and giving confidence to its neighbor that checkpoints won't be needed.
Now, the vision of the Palestinian state is one of contiguous territory. In other words, as I said earlier in my administration, I said, Swiss cheese isn't going to work when it comes to the outline of a state. And I mean that. There is no way that this good man can assure the Palestinians of a hopeful future if there's not contiguous territory. And we -- that position is abundantly clear to both sides. Therefore, the ultimate vision, of course, is there be no checkpoints throughout the Palestinian state-to-be.
And, you know, this is the issue. We're working through how to gain enough confidence on both sides so that checkpoints won't be necessary, and a state can emerge. My judgment is, I can understand frustrations. I mean, I hear it a lot. I heard it -- you know, the chief negotiator spent two hours at a checkpoint. All he was trying to do was go negotiate. And I can see that -- I can see the frustrations. Look, I also understand that people in Israel -- and the truth of the matter is, in the Palestinian Territories -- the average citizen wants to know whether or not there's going to be protection from the violent few who murder.
The security of a state is essential, particularly in a day and age when people simply disregard the value of human life, and kill. And so these checkpoints reflect the reality. And what we're trying to do is alter the reality by laying out a vision that is much more hopeful than the status quo.
Q Mr. President George Bush -- you launched war against Iraq after the Iraqi leadership refused to implement the United Nations resolutions. My question now is, what is the problem to ask Israel just to accept and to respect the United Nations resolutions relating to the Palestinian problem, which -- facilitating the achievement of ending the Israeli occupation to the Arab territories and facilitating also the solution between Palestinians and the Israelis?
And for Mahmoud Abbas, did you ask President George Bush to ask Israel to freeze settlements fully in order to enable negotiations from success?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes, but tell me the part about the U.N. thing again? What were you -- I couldn't understand you very well.
Q I just asked why you ask Israel to accept the United Nations resolutions related to the Palestinian problem, just to facilitate the solution, and to end the occupation.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Actually, I'm asking Israel to negotiate in good faith with an elected leader of the Palestinian Territory to come up with a permanent solution that -- look, the U.N. deal didn't work in the past. And so now we're going to have an opportunity to redefine the future by having a state negotiated between an elected leader of the Palestinian people, as well as the Prime Minister of Israel. This is an opportunity to move forward. And the only way for -- the only way to defeat the terrorists in the long run is to offer an alternative vision that is more hopeful. And that's what we're attempting to do, sir.
We can stay stuck in the past, which will yield nothing good for the Palestinians, in my judgment. We can chart a hopeful future, and that's exactly what this process is intending to do; to redefine the future for the Palestinian citizens and the Israelis.
I'm confident that two democratic states living side by side in peace is in the interests not only of the Palestinians and the Israelis, but of the world. The question is whether or not the hard issues can be resolved and the vision emerges, so that the choice is clear amongst the Palestinians -- the choice being, do you want this state, or do you want the status quo? Do you want a future based upon a democratic state, or do you want the same old stuff? And that's a choice that I'm confident that if the Palestinian people are given, they will choose peace.
And so that's what we're trying to do, sir.
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) The settlement for us is considered an obstacle for negotiations, and we have spoke more than once with Mr. Prime Minister Olmert, very frankly. And we also spoke in this meeting with President George Bush, and consequently, the President understood this issue. And we have heard the statements given by the Secretary of State, Dr. Rice, and she has -- her point of view regarding settlements was very positive.
Q President Bush, Prime Minister Olmert said that peace is not alive here as long as Gaza militants continue their threats on Israel. How do you see, President, about -- (inaudible) -- from Gaza?
And for you, President Abbas, how do you intend, actually, to get control of Gaza, and do you think this is possible by the end of the year and by the end of Mr. Bush's presidency?
PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, Gaza is a tough situation. I don't know whether you can solve it in a year, or not. But I know this: It can't be solved unless the Prime Minister -- the President has a vision that he can lay out to the people of Gaza that says, here's your choice: Do you want those who have created chaos to run your country, or do you want those of us who negotiated a settlement with the Israelis that will lead to lasting peace?
There is a competing vision taking place in Gaza. And in my judgment, Hamas, which I felt ran on a campaign of, we're going to improve your lives through better education and better health, have delivered nothing but misery. And I'm convinced his government will yield a hopeful future. And the best way to make that abundantly clear is for there to be a vision that's understandable.
See, the past has just been empty words, you know. We -- actually it hasn't been that much -- I'm the only President that's really articulated a two-state solution so far -- but saying two states really doesn't have much bearing until borders are defined, right of return issues resolved, Jerusalem is understood, security measures -- the common security measures will be in place. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a clear, defined state around which people can rally.
And there's going to be -- there will be no better difference, a clear difference, than the vision of Hamas in Gaza and the vision of the President and the Prime Minister and his team based here in Ramallah. And to me, that's how you solve the issue in the long-term. And the definition of long-term, I don't know what it means. I'm not a timetable person -- actually, I am on a timetable -- got 12 months. (Laughter.) But I'm impressed by the President's understanding about how a vision and a hopeful future will help clearly define the stakes amongst the Palestinian people.
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) Gaza it is considered a coup by us, we consider it a coup d'etat what happened in Gaza. Now -- we consider it a coup d'etat. (Laughter.) And we deal with Gaza at two levels. The first is that we deal with the people as part of us and we take full responsibility that is necessary towards our people. We spend in Gaza 58 percent of our budget. This is not to -- it is our duty towards our people that we provide them with all the need.
As for the issue of Hamas, we said that this is a coup and they have to retreat from this coup and they have to recognize international legitimacy, all international legitimacy, and to recognize the Arab Initiative, as well. In this case we will have another talk.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you, all.
END 11:45 A.M. (Local)
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Le Président Bush et le Président palestinien Abbas Participate d'autorité à la disponibilité commune de pression
par Muqata Ramallah
11:12 A.M. (Gens du pays)
PRÉSIDENT ABBAS : (Comme traduit.) votre excellence, le Président George Bush, président des Etats-Unis d'Amérique, je te souhaite la bienvenue dans Ramallah, aussi bien qu'en Bethlehem, sur la terre de la Palestine, qui vous accueille aujourd'hui en tant que grand invité, qui va avec lui, engagement vers le processus de paix. C'est une visite historique qui donne à nos personnes le grand espoir dans le fait que votre grande nation est tenante et soutenante leur rêve et leur désir vers la liberté et l'indépendance et vie dans la paix dans ce secteur, à côté de leurs voisins.
Nos personnes n'oublieront pas votre excellence, votre invitation et votre engagement vers l'établissement d'un état palestinien indépendant. Vous êtes le premier président américain qui confirme et réitère cette droite.
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PRÉSIDENT BUSH : Je ne l'ai pas encore. Vous pouvez devoir commencer plus de. (Rire.) pas encore. Vous améliorez le séjour éveillé. (Rire.)
PRÉSIDENT ABBAS : Nos personnes, votre excellence --
PRÉSIDENT BUSH : Je conviens complètement. (Rire.)
PRÉSIDENT ABBAS : Votre engagement vers un établissement d'un état palestinien indépendant -- vous êtes le premier président américain pour réitérer cette droite. Les conférences d'Annapolis et de Paris étaient une étape historique de toi et des américains et le monde dans l'ensemble pour perfectionner cet engagement et pour le pousser en avant.
Nos palestiniens, qui ont commis à la paix comme option stratégique, veulent voir, par votre appui et votre intervention, et la fin à sa douleur et à la douleur de ses personnes et de leurs familles, et veulent se bouger librement leur patrie, et ne développent leur vie et leur économie sans aucun obstacle qui gênent ce progrès, et sans mur de séparation qui réduit la terre, et sans règlements qui régit sa terre et futur. Nous voulons voir un futur différent où des prisons ne sont pas serrées des milliers de prisonniers, et où des hôpitaux ne sont pas serrés des dizaines de victimes innocentes journalières, sans points de contrôle et files d'attente des gens du commun qui souffrent de l'humiliation et du siège.
Je voudrais préciser ici que nous avons demandé à notre gouvernement pour continuer le travail vers augmenter la sécurité et l'ordre public imposant, et établissant le bon gouvernement qui est basé sur la règle de la loi, et consolider le rôle de nos établissements démocratiques et renforcer le travail de la société civile, aussi bien que le travail sur consolider le développement et la réforme administrative et financière et le transparent, de sorte que nous puissions créer les bases pour un état moderne et démocratique.
Et le gouvernement prend des mesures intensives du fait la direction, et je voudrais exprimer notre satisfaction pour l'appui de votre administration en sphère économique afin de développer l'infrastructure et fournir de nouvelles possibilités d'emploi, et améliore le niveau des services et de tous autres projets qui contribuent en améliorant les vies et les conditions de la vie pour nos personnes.
Nous et nos voisins israéliens, et sous votre patronage direct -- les négociations bilatérales qui adressent toutes les questions de statut final sont des questions de noyau -- que nous voudrions finir ces négociations pendant votre limite dans le bureau et que nous -- il finira par -- fin du métier qui a commencé en 1967, et qui établissement d'un état palestinien indépendant, et son capital, Jérusalem, basé sur votre vision et les résolutions internationales, et qui nous trouvons une solution juste pour la tragédie des réfugiés, selon l'initiative arabe pour la paix et selon l'U.N. résolutions.
Et à cette occasion je voudrais réitérer avant toi notre engagement à tous nos engagements d'accord sur lesquels nous étions. Et nous invitons l'Israel, aussi bien, pour accomplir ses engagements selon les la prévisions de carte de route, parce que nous croyons fermement que la paix est faite par volonté d'a et un engagement partagé parmi toutes les parties.
Votre visite historique aujourd'hui aux territoires palestiniens est fortement appréciée par nos personnes, et c'est une nouvelle expression de votre engagement profond vers établir la paix sur la terre de la paix. Nous apprécions le sérieux complet qui caractérise votre visite et vos efforts aujourd'hui de continuer et construire et profiter de cette occasion importante qui est à la disposition de nous et aux Israéliens.
Nous commençons par toi une nouvelle année, espérant que ce sera l'année pour la création de la paix. Vous entendrez aujourd'hui à Bethlehem l'appel pour des prières des mosquées, et l'annonce des cloches à l'église du Nativity, qui confirme notre message commun, le message de la tolérance humaine et la vraie paix qui est profondément enracinée dans notre conscience et dans notre héritage. Votre présence aujourd'hui parmi nous, votre excellence, est une réiteration pour l'appel pour complet et la paix juste laquelle vous avez réclamé et toi vous êtes commise à. Et l'écho de cet appel atteint toutes personnes et les pays dans notre région, parce que la voix qui est maintenant sortir de la Palestine est la plus étroite et le plus profond en atteignant les coeurs de toutes personnes dans la région.
Svp, votre excellence, espèrent que paix dans les débuts du monde d'ici, de la terre sainte. Nous souhaitons la bienvenue à toi encore, à notre cher invité et à notre cher ami, ici en Palestine.
PRÉSIDENT BUSH : M. Président, merci de votre hospitalité. Nous nous sommes réunis beaucoup dans le passé et je suis heureux d'avoir finalement une chance de s'asseoir dans votre bureau pour discuter les questions importantes.
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j'ai eu de nombreuses occasions à visiter avec le président. Et la question fondamentale que j'ai est si lui est commise à la paix. C'est la même question que j'ai prise pour le premier ministre de l'Israel. Et je suis venu à la conclusion que les deux hommes comprennent l'importance pour les états démocratiques vivant côte à côte dans la paix.
Le Président Abbas a été élu sur une plateforme de paix. En d'autres termes, il n'était pas juste quelqu'un qui commence à parler de lui récemment, il a fait campagne là-dessus. Il a également dit que si vous me donnez une chance, je travaillerai pour améliorer les vies des Palestiniens moyens, et est ce ce qu'il a fait. Ce n'est certainement pas travail facile. Les conditions sur la terre sont très difficiles et, néanmoins, cet homme et ses travaux de gouvernement non seulement pour une vision, mais travaille également pour améliorer les vies des citoyens moyens, qui est essentielle pour l'apparition d'une démocratie palestinienne.
Je lui ai parlé aujourd'hui au sujet de la façon dont -- ce que nous pouvons faire pour aider et, comme il a mentionné, les Etats-Unis ont été un donateur financier actif, nous ont aidé à la conférence de Paris. Je crois fermement que les Palestiniennes sont des personnes entreprenantes qui, si juste donné une chance, pourront accroître leurs entreprises et fournir les travaux.
Nous avons parlé de la nécessité de combattre outre des extrémistes. Le monde en lequel nous vivons est un monde dangereux parce qu'il y a les gens qui assassinent les personnes innocentes pour atteindre des objectifs politiques, pas simplement ici dans la présente partie immédiate du monde, mais autour du monde. Est ce ce que nous traitons à l'Irak et l'Afghanistan et le Liban. Et la question fondamentale est, des nations de volonté tenir vers le haut et aider ceux qui comprennent la lutte idéologique que nous sommes des po. Et le président comprend la lutte idéologique. Il sait qu'une poignée de personnes veulent se précipiter les aspirations des palestiniens en créant le chaos et la violence.
Et j'apprécie cela, M. Président. Et j'apprécie votre arrangement que, finalement, la manière de réaliser la paix est d'offrir une vision alternative, et c'est une vision basée sur la liberté.
Maintenant, le regard, là en sont dans le monde qui ne croient pas en universalité de la liberté. Je comprends cela. Ils disent, comme, liberté est bien pour certains d'entre nous, mais pour peut-être pas tous les nous. Je le comprends, mais je le rejette. Je crois en universalité de la liberté. Je crois, profond dans l'âme de chaque homme, femme, et enfant sur le visage de cette terre est le désir de vivre dans une société libre. Et je crois également la paix libre de rendement de sociétés. Et, en conséquence, cette notion de deux états vivant côte à côte dans la paix est basée sur l'universalité de la liberté, et si donné une chance, les palestiniens fonctionnera pour la liberté.
Et c'est un défi en avant de nous -- est-ce que, il est est possible pour que les Israéliens et les Palestiniens établissent-ils leurs différences sur des questions de noyau de sorte qu'une vision puisse émerger ? Et ma réponse est, absolument, lui est possible. Est non seulement il possible, il est nécessaire. Et j'attends avec intérêt d'aider.
Vous savez, il y avez une grande anticipation que tout président américain doit faire doit intervenir, et la parole juste, ok, ceci est la manière qu'elle va être. Ce n'est pas comment le système fonctionne. Afin là pour être paix durable, le Président Abbas et le premier ministre Olmert doivent venir ensemble et faire des choix durs. Et je suis convaincu qu'ils. Et je crois que c'est possible -- non seulement possible, je crois qu'il va se produire, qu'il y aura un traité signé de paix avant que je parte du bureau. Est ce ce que je crois. Et la raison que je crois qui est parce que j'entends l'urgence dans la voix du premier ministre de l'Israel et du président de l'autorité palestinienne.
Va-t-ce être travail dur ? Vous avez parié. Et nous pouvons aider à soutenir ces négociations, et volonté. M'ai été demandé hier à une conférence de presse, vous sais, ce qui vous prévoient pour faire ; si vous n'allez pas écrire l'accord, qu'avez-vous l'intention de faire ? J'ai dit, pousse du coude le processus en avant -- comme, pression ; soyez une douleur si je dois être une douleur -- ce qui dans l'esprit de certains n'est pas tout celui dur. Et ils ont dit, bien, comme -- hier, quelqu'un dit, bien, êtes-vous déçu ? Je suis arrivé et il a poussé du coude le processus en avant. En d'autres termes, nous pouvons aider à influencer le processus, et la volonté. Mais la seule paix durable sera réalisée quand les chefs dûment élus des peuples respectifs effectuent le travail dur.
Et ainsi je veux aider. Et je veux aider dans la région, aussi bien, M. Président. Le reste de mon voyage parlera, évidemment, des menaces de sécurité, mais également de l'occasion de réaliser la paix. Et le monde arabe a une occasion et une obligation, dans mon jugement, d'aider les deux parties dans ces négociations pour faire avancer le processus.
J'ai expliqué hier, et je veux juste expliquer encore aujourd'hui, là suis trois voies à ce processus, en ce qui concerne nous. On est les négociations pour définir une vision qui sera sujette à la carte de route.
Est deuxièmement résoudre -- questions de carte de route de résolution d'aide. Et aujourd'hui j'ai présenté le président au général -- trois-tenez le premier rôle le général de l'Armée de l'Air qui courra ce processus. Nous avons été d'accord sur un processus trilatéral et voulons aider les Israéliens et les Palestiniens résolvent leurs différences au-dessus des questions de carte de route.
Et est troisièmement aider les Palestiniens à développer l'infrastructure nécessaire pour une démocratie -- une économie -- et forces de sécurité qui sont capables de faire ce que le président et le premier ministre veulent avoir fait. Et nous sommes tout d'abord engagés. J'attends avec intérêt de voir Tony Blair demain, qui est le représentant du quartet, et à découvrez ce qu'il avait fait et quel progrès est accompli.
Je suis confiant qu'avec l'aide appropriée, l'état de la Palestine émergera. Et je suis confiant que quand il émerge ce sera une étape importante vers la paix. Je suis confiant que le statu quo soit inacceptable, M. Le président, et nous veulent vous aider. Et j'apprécie votre vision, et j'apprécie votre courage, et j'apprécie votre hospitalité. Et je vous apprécie me donnant une chance de parler à la pression, naturellement. (Rire.)
des couples d'A des questions, je comprends.
M. de Q. Le Président Abu Mazen, ce qui sont les résultats de cette visite ? M. Le Président Bush, vous ledit plus d'une fois ce le côté palestinien devez respecter ses engagements. Et M. Fayyad a eu un plan de sécurité pour aider la paix. Et quand M. Fayyad est allé à Annapolis qu'il a recommandé ce plan de sécurité, et alors l'Israel a détruit tous ces efforts dans Annapolis. Comment l'autorité palestinienne peut-elle faire les efforts de sécurité qui sont réussis, et tandis que l'Israel détruit et mine tous leurs efforts dans les territoires occupés ?
L'autre côté de la question : Êtes-vous disposé à donner des garanties pour le côté palestinien à déclarer une congélation sur des règlements immédiatement ? Merci.
PRÉSIDENT ABBAS : (Comme traduit.) nous sommes entièrement satisfaits des résultats que nous avons accédés par cette visite de M. Le Président George Bush. Nous avons parlé au sujet de toutes les matières qui pourraient se produire à votre esprit et qui ne pourraient pas se produire à votre esprit, aussi bien. Toutes questions sont d'accord. Nous sommes convenus sur toutes les matières. Toutes les matières sont claires.
Dans un avenir proche, dans venir peu de jours, nous entrons pour nous réunir dans des négociations bilatérales avec les Israéliens afin de discuter les négociations finales de statut, questions finales de statut. Et comme M. Le président a déclaré, là est trois thèmes -- l'autre thème met en application la carte de route par le comité, le comité trilatéral. Et le troisième point est les conditions économiques et de sécurité dans les territoires palestiniens. Nous avons de grands espoirs que pendant les 2008 nous atteindrons le statut final et un traité de paix avec l'Israel.
PRÉSIDENT BUSH : Chaque côté a des engagements sous la carte de route. Des règlements sont clairement énoncés dans les engagements de carte de route pour l'Israel. Nous avons fait connaître nos soucis concernant l'expansion des règlements, et nous nous attendons à ce que les deux parties honorent leurs engagements sous la carte de route.
Deuxièmement, nous dépensons -- Le Général Dayton dépense beaucoup de temps l'essai d'aider le président et le premier ministre à développer les forces de sécurité qui sont efficaces. Il n'y a aucune question dans mon esprit l'engagement pour fournir la sécurité pour le citoyen moyen est fort. La question est les possibilités. Et la vérité de la matière est faut il une quantité considérable de travail effectuée pour s'assurer que les forces de sécurité sont modernisées, bien élevé et préparée, avec une chaîne de la commande appropriée de répondre. Et je vous dirai je crois fermement que les forces de sécurité s'améliorent.
Je me rappelle notre visite à New York, et nous avons discuté ceci pendant l'U.N. L'Assemblée générale. Et par n'importe quelle mesure objective, les forces palestiniennes de sécurité en Cisjordanie s'améliorent.
Et ainsi mon message aux Israéliens est qu'ils doivent aider, de ne pas gêner, la modernisation de la force palestinienne de sécurité. Il est dans leurs intérêts qu'un gouvernement a consacrés à la paix et l'arrangement le besoin de deux états de vivre côte à côte dans la paix ont une force moderne.
It's got -- very important for the government to be able to assure people that if there is a need, there will be an effective force to provide security. That's just step one of having credibility with the people. And to the extent that Israeli actions have undermined the effectiveness of the Palestinian force, or the authority of the state relative to the average citizen, is something that we don't agree with and have made our position clear.
She just called on you.
Q -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT BUSH: No, that's the road map obligation I was talking about.
Q -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes. He's asking me about the checkpoints I drove through and my impression about what it was like to drive through checkpoints. I can understand why the Palestinians are frustrated driving through checkpoints. I can also understand that until confidence is gained on both sides, why the Israelis would want there to be a sense of security. In other words, they don't want a state on their border from which attacks would be launched. I can understand that. Any reasonable person can understand that. Why would you work to have a state on your border if you weren't confident they'd be a partner in peace?
And so checkpoints create frustrations for people. They create a sense of security for Israel; they create massive frustrations for the Palestinians. You'll be happy to hear that my motorcade of a mere 45 cars was able to make it through without being stopped. (Laughter.) But I'm not so exactly sure that's what happens to the average person. And so the whole object is to create a state that is capable of defending itself internally, and giving confidence to its neighbor that checkpoints won't be needed.
Now, the vision of the Palestinian state is one of contiguous territory. In other words, as I said earlier in my administration, I said, Swiss cheese isn't going to work when it comes to the outline of a state. And I mean that. There is no way that this good man can assure the Palestinians of a hopeful future if there's not contiguous territory. And we -- that position is abundantly clear to both sides. Therefore, the ultimate vision, of course, is there be no checkpoints throughout the Palestinian state-to-be.
And, you know, this is the issue. We're working through how to gain enough confidence on both sides so that checkpoints won't be necessary, and a state can emerge. My judgment is, I can understand frustrations. I mean, I hear it a lot. I heard it -- you know, the chief negotiator spent two hours at a checkpoint. All he was trying to do was go negotiate. And I can see that -- I can see the frustrations. Look, I also understand that people in Israel -- and the truth of the matter is, in the Palestinian Territories -- the average citizen wants to know whether or not there's going to be protection from the violent few who murder.
The security of a state is essential, particularly in a day and age when people simply disregard the value of human life, and kill. And so these checkpoints reflect the reality. And what we're trying to do is alter the reality by laying out a vision that is much more hopeful than the status quo.
Q Mr. President George Bush -- you launched war against Iraq after the Iraqi leadership refused to implement the United Nations resolutions. My question now is, what is the problem to ask Israel just to accept and to respect the United Nations resolutions relating to the Palestinian problem, which -- facilitating the achievement of ending the Israeli occupation to the Arab territories and facilitating also the solution between Palestinians and the Israelis?
And for Mahmoud Abbas, did you ask President George Bush to ask Israel to freeze settlements fully in order to enable negotiations from success?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes, but tell me the part about the U.N. thing again? What were you -- I couldn't understand you very well.
Q I just asked why you ask Israel to accept the United Nations resolutions related to the Palestinian problem, just to facilitate the solution, and to end the occupation.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Actually, I'm asking Israel to negotiate in good faith with an elected leader of the Palestinian Territory to come up with a permanent solution that -- look, the U.N. deal didn't work in the past. And so now we're going to have an opportunity to redefine the future by having a state negotiated between an elected leader of the Palestinian people, as well as the Prime Minister of Israel. This is an opportunity to move forward. And the only way for -- the only way to defeat the terrorists in the long run is to offer an alternative vision that is more hopeful. And that's what we're attempting to do, sir.
We can stay stuck in the past, which will yield nothing good for the Palestinians, in my judgment. We can chart a hopeful future, and that's exactly what this process is intending to do; to redefine the future for the Palestinian citizens and the Israelis.
I'm confident that two democratic states living side by side in peace is in the interests not only of the Palestinians and the Israelis, but of the world. The question is whether or not the hard issues can be resolved and the vision emerges, so that the choice is clear amongst the Palestinians -- the choice being, do you want this state, or do you want the status quo? Do you want a future based upon a democratic state, or do you want the same old stuff? And that's a choice that I'm confident that if the Palestinian people are given, they will choose peace.
And so that's what we're trying to do, sir.
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) The settlement for us is considered an obstacle for negotiations, and we have spoke more than once with Mr. Prime Minister Olmert, very frankly. And we also spoke in this meeting with President George Bush, and consequently, the President understood this issue. And we have heard the statements given by the Secretary of State, Dr. Rice, and she has -- her point of view regarding settlements was very positive.
Q President Bush, Prime Minister Olmert said that peace is not alive here as long as Gaza militants continue their threats on Israel. How do you see, President, about -- (inaudible) -- from Gaza?
And for you, President Abbas, how do you intend, actually, to get control of Gaza, and do you think this is possible by the end of the year and by the end of Mr. Bush's presidency?
PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, Gaza is a tough situation. I don't know whether you can solve it in a year, or not. But I know this: It can't be solved unless the Prime Minister -- the President has a vision that he can lay out to the people of Gaza that says, here's your choice: Do you want those who have created chaos to run your country, or do you want those of us who negotiated a settlement with the Israelis that will lead to lasting peace?
There is a competing vision taking place in Gaza. And in my judgment, Hamas, which I felt ran on a campaign of, we're going to improve your lives through better education and better health, have delivered nothing but misery. And I'm convinced his government will yield a hopeful future. And the best way to make that abundantly clear is for there to be a vision that's understandable.
See, the past has just been empty words, you know. We -- actually it hasn't been that much -- I'm the only President that's really articulated a two-state solution so far -- but saying two states really doesn't have much bearing until borders are defined, right of return issues resolved, Jerusalem is understood, security measures -- the common security measures will be in place. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a clear, defined state around which people can rally.
And there's going to be -- there will be no better difference, a clear difference, than the vision of Hamas in Gaza and the vision of the President and the Prime Minister and his team based here in Ramallah. And to me, that's how you solve the issue in the long-term. And the definition of long-term, I don't know what it means. I'm not a timetable person -- actually, I am on a timetable -- got 12 months. (Laughter.) But I'm impressed by the President's understanding about how a vision and a hopeful future will help clearly define the stakes amongst the Palestinian people.
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) Gaza it is considered a coup by us, we consider it a coup d'etat what happened in Gaza. Now -- we consider it a coup d'etat. (Laughter.) And we deal with Gaza at two levels. The first is that we deal with the people as part of us and we take full responsibility that is necessary towards our people. We spend in Gaza 58 percent of our budget. This is not to -- it is our duty towards our people that we provide them with all the need.
As for the issue of Hamas, we said that this is a coup and they have to retreat from this coup and they have to recognize international legitimacy, all international legitimacy, and to recognize the Arab Initiative, as well. In this case we will have another talk.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you, all.
END 11:45 A.M. (Local)
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Presidente Bush y presidente palestino Abbas Participate de la autoridad en disponibilidad común de la prensa
de Muqata Ramallah
11:12 mañana. (Local)
PRESIDENTE ABBAS: (Según lo traducido.) su excelencia, presidente George Bush, presidente de los Estados Unidos de América, le doy la bienvenida en Ramallah, así como en Bethlehem, en la tierra de Palestina, la cual le da la bienvenida hoy como gran huésped, que va con él, comisión hacia el proceso de la paz. Es una visita histórica que da a nuestra gente gran esperanza en el hecho de que su gran nación es que está parado y de soporte de su sueño y su deseo vivo hacia la libertad e independencia y vida en paz en esta área, junto a sus vecinos.
Nuestra gente no se olvidará de su excelencia, de su invitación y de su comisión hacia el establecimiento de un estado palestino independiente. Usted es el primer presidente americano que confirma y reitera la esta derecha.
(Auricular de la traducción que no trabaja.)
PRESIDENTE BUSH: No lo he conseguido todavía. Usted puede tener que comenzar encima. (Risa.) no todavía. Usted mejora la estancia despierta. (Risa.)
PRESIDENTE ABBAS: Nuestra gente, su excelencia --
PRESIDENTE BUSH: Convengo totalmente. (Risa.)
PRESIDENTE ABBAS: Su comisión hacia un establecimiento de un estado palestino independiente -- usted es el primer presidente americano para reiterar la esta derecha. Las conferencias de Annapolis y de París eran un paso histórico de usted y de la gente americana y el mundo en su totalidad para perfeccionar esta comisión y para empujarla adelante.
Nuestra gente palestina, que confió a la paz como opción estratégica, desea ver, con su ayuda y su intervención, y el final a su sufrimiento y al sufrimiento de su gente y de sus familias, y desea moverse libremente en su patria, y desarrolla su vida y su economía sin ningunos obstáculos que obstaculicen ese progreso, y sin una pared de la separación que haga fragmentos de la tierra, y sin establecimientos que está gobernando su tierra y futuro. Deseamos ver un diverso futuro donde las prisiones no se aprietan con millares de presos, y donde los hospitales no se aprietan con diez de víctimas inocentes diarias, sin los puntos de comprobación y las coletas de las gentes normales que sufren de la humillación y del sitio.
Quisiera precisar aquí que mandamos a nuestro gobierno para continuar el trabajo hacia realzar seguridad y orden pública imponente, y estableciendo el buen gobierno que se basa en la regla de la ley, y consolidar el papel de nuestras instituciones democráticas y consolidar el trabajo de la sociedad civil, así como trabajo sobre la consolidación del desarrollo y reforma administrativa y financiera y transparencia, de modo que poder poner las fundaciones para un estado moderno y democrático.
Y el gobierno está tomando medidas intensivas en que la dirección, y yo quisiéramos exprimir nuestro aprecio para la ayuda de su administración en la esfera económica para desarrollar la infraestructura y proporcionar nuevas oportunidades de trabajo, y mejora el nivel de los servicios y de el resto de los proyectos que contribuyen en mejorar las vidas y las condiciones de vivir para nuestra gente.
Nosotros y nuestros vecinos israelíes, y bajo su patrocinio directo -- las negociaciones bilaterales que tratan todas las aplicaciones el estado final son ediciones de la base -- que quisiéramos terminar estas negociaciones durante su término en oficina y que nosotros -- terminará por -- conclusión de la ocupación que comenzaron en 1967, y que establecimiento de un estado palestino independiente, y su capital, Jerusalén, basada en su visión y las resoluciones internacionales, y que encontramos una solución justa para la tragedia de refugiados, según la iniciativa árabe para la paz y según el U.N. resoluciones.
Y en esta ocasión quisiera reiterar antes de usted nuestra comisión a todas nuestras obligaciones las cuales convinimos. E invitamos Israel, también, para satisfacer sus comisiones según el plan del mapa de camino, porque creemos firmemente que es hecha las paces por voluntad de a y una comisión compartida entre todos los partidos.
Su visita histórica a los territorios palestinos es apreciada hoy altamente por nuestra gente, y es una nueva expresión de su comisión profunda hacia establecer paz en la tierra de la paz. Apreciamos la seriedad completa que caracteriza su visita y sus esfuerzos de continuar y de construir y de capitalizar hoy en esta oportunidad importante que esté disponible para nosotros y para los israelíes.
Comenzamos con usted un Año Nuevo, esperando que éste será el año para la creación de la paz. Usted oirá hoy en Bethlehem la llamada para los rezos de las mezquitas, y el anuncio de campanas en la iglesia de la natividad, que confirma nuestro mensaje común, el mensaje de la tolerancia humana y la paz verdadera que se arraiga profundamente en nuestra conciencia y en nuestra herencia. Su presencia hoy entre nosotros, su excelencia, es una reiteración para la llamada para comprensivo y la paz justa para la cual usted llamó y usted se confiaron a. Y el eco de esta llamada alcanza toda la gente y los países en nuestra región, porque la voz que ahora es el salir de Palestina está la más cercana y el más profundo de alcanzar los corazones de toda la gente en la región.
Por favor, su excelencia, confía en que la paz en el mundo empieza con aquí, de la tierra santa. Damos la bienvenida le otra vez, a nuestra estimada huésped y a nuestro estimado amigo, aquí en Palestina.
PRESIDENTE BUSH: Sr. Presidente, gracias por su hospitalidad. Hemos satisfecho mucho en el pasado y estoy alegre finalmente tener una ocasión de sentarse abajo en su oficina para discutir ediciones importantes.
¿(Interrupción en el audio de la traducción.) es que trabaja? (Risa.) escuche, dicen que tengo bastantes problemas el hablar de inglés mientras que es. (Risa.)
he tenido oportunidades numerosas que visitar con el presidente. Y la pregunta fundamental que tengo es si o no él está confiado a la paz. Es la misma pregunta que tenía para el primer ministro de Israel. Y he venido a la conclusión que ambos hombres entienden la importancia a los estados democráticos que viven de lado a lado en paz.
Eligieron a presidente Abbas en una plataforma de la paz. Es decir él apenas no era alguien que comienza a hablar de él últimamente, él hizo campaña en él. Él también dijo que si usted me da una ocasión, trabajaré para mejorar las vidas de los palestinos medios, y eso es lo que él ha hecho. No es ciertamente trabajo fácil. Las condiciones en la tierra son muy difíciles y, sin embargo, este hombre y sus trabajos del gobierno no sólo para una visión, pero también trabaja para mejorar las vidas de los ciudadanos medios, que es esencial para la aparición de una democracia palestina.
Hablé con él hoy sobre cómo -- qué podemos hacer para ayudar y, como él mencionó, los Estados Unidos han sido un donante financiero activo, nosotros ayudaron en la conferencia de París. Creo firmemente que los palestinos son la gente emprendedora que, si apenas está dada una ocasión, podrá crecer sus negocios y proporcionar trabajos.
Hablamos de la necesidad de luchar de los extremistas. El mundo en el cual vivimos es un mundo peligroso porque hay la gente que asesina a gente inocente para alcanzar objetivos políticos, no apenas aquí en esta parte inmediata del mundo, pero alrededor del mundo. Eso es lo que estamos tratando en de Iraq y Afganistán y Líbano. Y la pregunta fundamental es, las naciones de la voluntad estar parados para arriba y ayudar a los que entiendan la lucha ideológica que somos pulg. Y el presidente entiende la lucha ideológica. Él sabe que un puñado de gente desea estrallar las aspiraciones de la gente palestina creando caos y violencia.
Y aprecio eso, Sr. Presidente. Y aprecio su comprensión que, en última instancia, la manera de alcanzar paz sea ofrecer una visión alternativa, y eso es una visión basada sobre libertad.
Ahora, la mirada, allí está algo en el mundo que no creen en la universalidad de la libertad. Entiendo eso. Dicen, como, libertad son aceptables para algunos de nosotros, pero quizá no todos nosotros. Lo entiendo, pero lo rechazo. Creo en la universalidad de la libertad. Creo, profundo en el alma de cada hombre, mujer, y niño en la cara de esta tierra soy el deseo de vivir en una sociedad libre. Y también creo paz libre de la producción de las sociedades. Y, por lo tanto, esta noción de dos estados que viven de lado a lado en paz se basa sobre la universalidad de la libertad, y si está dada una ocasión, la gente palestina trabajará para la libertad.
Y eso es un desafío delante de nosotros -- ¿es, es posible para que los israelíes y los palestinos resuelvan sus diferencias en ediciones de la base de modo que una visión pueda emerger? Y mi respuesta es, absolutamente, él es posible. No sólo es posible, él es necesario. Y estoy mirando adelante a ayudar.
Usted sabe, hay una gran anticipación que todo el presidente americano tiene que hacer debe caminar adentro, y la opinión justa, autorización, ésta es la manera que va a ser. Ése no es cómo el sistema trabaja. Para que allí para ser paz duradera, presidente Abbas y el primer ministro Olmert tengan que venir juntos y hacer opciones resistentes. Y me convencen que. Y creo que es posible -- no sólo posible, creo que va a suceder, que habrá un tratado firmado de la paz para el momento en que salga de la oficina. Eso es lo que creo. Y la razón que creo que es porque oigo la urgencia en la voz del primer ministro de Israel y del presidente de la autoridad palestina.
¿Va a ser trabajo duro? Usted apostó. Y podemos ayudar a apoyar estas negociaciones, y voluntad. Ayer me preguntaron en una rueda de prensa, usted sé, qué usted se preponen hacer; ¿si usted no va a escribir el acuerdo, qué usted se prepone hacer? Dije, nudge el proceso adelante -- como, presión; sea un dolor si necesito ser un dolor -- cuál en la mente alguna gente no es todo ése difícilmente. Y dijeron, bien, como -- ¿ayer, alguien dicha, usted está decepcionado bien? Llegué y nudged el proceso adelante. Es decir podemos ayudar a influenciar el proceso, y la voluntad. Pero la única paz duradera será alcanzada cuando los líderes debido elegidos de la gente respectiva hacen el trabajo duro.
Y deseo tan ayudar. Y deseo ayudar en la región, también, Sr. Presidente. El resto de mi viaje hablará, obviamente, de amenazas de la seguridad, pero también de la oportunidad de alcanzar paz. Y el mundo árabe tiene una oportunidad y una obligación, en mi juicio, de ayudar a ambas partes en estas negociaciones para mover el proceso adelante.
Expliqué ayer, y apenas deseo explicar otra vez hoy, allí soy tres pistas a este proceso, por lo que nos referimos. Uno es las negociaciones para definir una visión que esté conforme al mapa de camino.
En segundo lugar está resolver -- ediciones del mapa de camino de la resolución de la ayuda. E introduje hoy a presidente al general -- general de la fuerza aérea de la tres-estrella que funcionará este proceso. Hemos convenido un proceso trilátero y deseamos ayudar a los israelíes y los palestinos resuelven sus diferencias sobre ediciones del mapa de camino.
Y en tercer lugar está ayudar a los palestinos a desarrollar la infraestructura necesaria para una democracia -- una economía -- y fuerzas de la seguridad que son capaces de hacer lo que desean el presidente y el primer ministro haber hecho. Y mucho nos contratan. Estoy mirando adelante a ver Tony Blair mañana, que es el representante del cuarteto, y a descubra lo que él ha estado haciendo y se está haciendo qué progreso.
Soy confidente que con ayuda apropiada, el estado de Palestina emergerá. Y soy confidente que cuando emerge será un paso importante hacia paz. Soy confidente que el status quo es inaceptable, Sr. El presidente, y nosotros deseamos ayudarle. Y aprecio su visión, y aprecio su valor, y aprecio su hospitalidad. Y le aprecio que me da una ocasión de hablar con la prensa, por supuesto. (Risa.)
los pares de A de preguntas, entiendo.
Sr. de Q. ¿Presidente Abu Mazen, cuál es los resultados de esta visita? Sr. Presidente Bush, usted ese dicho el lado palestino debe satisfacer más de una vez sus obligaciones. Y Sr. Fayyad ha tenido un plan de la seguridad para ayudar a la paz. Y cuando Sr. Fayyad fue a Annapolis que él elogió ese plan de la seguridad, y entonces Israel destruyó todos esos esfuerzos en Annapolis. ¿Cómo puede la autoridad palestina hacer los esfuerzos de la seguridad que son acertados, y mientras que Israel destruye y mina todos sus esfuerzos en los territorios ocupados?
El otro lado de la pregunta: ¿Está usted dispuesto a dar las garantías para el lado palestino a declarar congelar en establecimientos inmediatamente? Gracias.
PRESIDENTE ABBAS: (Según lo traducido.) estamos satisfechos completamente con el resultado que alcanzamos con esta visita de Sr. Presidente George Bush. Hablamos sobre todos los asuntos que pudieron ocurrir a su mente y que no pudieron ocurrir a su mente, también. Todas las ediciones están en el acuerdo. Nos convienen en todos los asuntos. Todos los asuntos están claros.
En un futuro próximo, en venir pocos días, estamos entrando satisfacer en negociaciones bilaterales con los israelíes para discutir las negociaciones finales del estado, estado final publicamos. Y como Sr. El presidente dijo, allí es tres temas -- el otro tema está poniendo el mapa de camino en ejecución a través del comité, el comité trilátero. Y el tercer punto es las condiciones económicas y de la seguridad en territorios palestinos. Tenemos grandes esperanzas que durante 2008 alcancemos el estado final y un tratado de la paz con Israel.
PRESIDENTE BUSH: Cada lado tiene obligaciones debajo del mapa de camino. Los establecimientos se indican claramente en las obligaciones del mapa de camino para Israel. Hemos hecho nuestras preocupaciones por la extensión de establecimientos sabidas, y esperamos que ambas partes honren sus obligaciones debajo del mapa de camino.
En segundo lugar, estamos pasando -- General Dayton está pasando mucho tiempo intentar ayudar al presidente y al primer ministro a desarrollar las fuerzas de la seguridad que son eficaces. No hay pregunta en mi mente la comisión para proporcionar la seguridad para el ciudadano medio es fuerte. La pregunta es las capacidades. Y la verdad de la materia es allí necesita ser una cantidad justa de trabajo hecha para cerciorarse de que las fuerzas de la seguridad están modernizadas, bien ensen$ado y preparada, con una cadena del comando apropiada de responder. Y le diré crea firmemente que las fuerzas de la seguridad están mejorando.
Recuerdo nuestra visita en Nueva York, y discutimos esto durante el U.N. Asamblea General. Y mediante cualquier medida objetiva, las fuerzas palestinas de la seguridad en Cisjordania están mejorando.
Y mi mensaje a los israelíes es tan que ought ayudar, no obstaculizar, la modernización de la fuerza palestina de la seguridad. Está en sus intereses que un gobierno dedicó a la paz y entendiendo la necesidad de dos estados de vivir de lado a lado en paz tenga una fuerza moderna.
It's got -- very important for the government to be able to assure people that if there is a need, there will be an effective force to provide security. That's just step one of having credibility with the people. And to the extent that Israeli actions have undermined the effectiveness of the Palestinian force, or the authority of the state relative to the average citizen, is something that we don't agree with and have made our position clear.
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Q -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT BUSH: No, that's the road map obligation I was talking about.
Q -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes. He's asking me about the checkpoints I drove through and my impression about what it was like to drive through checkpoints. I can understand why the Palestinians are frustrated driving through checkpoints. I can also understand that until confidence is gained on both sides, why the Israelis would want there to be a sense of security. In other words, they don't want a state on their border from which attacks would be launched. I can understand that. Any reasonable person can understand that. Why would you work to have a state on your border if you weren't confident they'd be a partner in peace?
And so checkpoints create frustrations for people. They create a sense of security for Israel; they create massive frustrations for the Palestinians. You'll be happy to hear that my motorcade of a mere 45 cars was able to make it through without being stopped. (Laughter.) But I'm not so exactly sure that's what happens to the average person. And so the whole object is to create a state that is capable of defending itself internally, and giving confidence to its neighbor that checkpoints won't be needed.
Now, the vision of the Palestinian state is one of contiguous territory. In other words, as I said earlier in my administration, I said, Swiss cheese isn't going to work when it comes to the outline of a state. And I mean that. There is no way that this good man can assure the Palestinians of a hopeful future if there's not contiguous territory. And we -- that position is abundantly clear to both sides. Therefore, the ultimate vision, of course, is there be no checkpoints throughout the Palestinian state-to-be.
And, you know, this is the issue. We're working through how to gain enough confidence on both sides so that checkpoints won't be necessary, and a state can emerge. My judgment is, I can understand frustrations. I mean, I hear it a lot. I heard it -- you know, the chief negotiator spent two hours at a checkpoint. All he was trying to do was go negotiate. And I can see that -- I can see the frustrations. Look, I also understand that people in Israel -- and the truth of the matter is, in the Palestinian Territories -- the average citizen wants to know whether or not there's going to be protection from the violent few who murder.
The security of a state is essential, particularly in a day and age when people simply disregard the value of human life, and kill. And so these checkpoints reflect the reality. And what we're trying to do is alter the reality by laying out a vision that is much more hopeful than the status quo.
Q Mr. President George Bush -- you launched war against Iraq after the Iraqi leadership refused to implement the United Nations resolutions. My question now is, what is the problem to ask Israel just to accept and to respect the United Nations resolutions relating to the Palestinian problem, which -- facilitating the achievement of ending the Israeli occupation to the Arab territories and facilitating also the solution between Palestinians and the Israelis?
And for Mahmoud Abbas, did you ask President George Bush to ask Israel to freeze settlements fully in order to enable negotiations from success?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Yes, but tell me the part about the U.N. thing again? What were you -- I couldn't understand you very well.
Q I just asked why you ask Israel to accept the United Nations resolutions related to the Palestinian problem, just to facilitate the solution, and to end the occupation.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Actually, I'm asking Israel to negotiate in good faith with an elected leader of the Palestinian Territory to come up with a permanent solution that -- look, the U.N. deal didn't work in the past. And so now we're going to have an opportunity to redefine the future by having a state negotiated between an elected leader of the Palestinian people, as well as the Prime Minister of Israel. This is an opportunity to move forward. And the only way for -- the only way to defeat the terrorists in the long run is to offer an alternative vision that is more hopeful. And that's what we're attempting to do, sir.
We can stay stuck in the past, which will yield nothing good for the Palestinians, in my judgment. We can chart a hopeful future, and that's exactly what this process is intending to do; to redefine the future for the Palestinian citizens and the Israelis.
I'm confident that two democratic states living side by side in peace is in the interests not only of the Palestinians and the Israelis, but of the world. The question is whether or not the hard issues can be resolved and the vision emerges, so that the choice is clear amongst the Palestinians -- the choice being, do you want this state, or do you want the status quo? Do you want a future based upon a democratic state, or do you want the same old stuff? And that's a choice that I'm confident that if the Palestinian people are given, they will choose peace.
And so that's what we're trying to do, sir.
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) The settlement for us is considered an obstacle for negotiations, and we have spoke more than once with Mr. Prime Minister Olmert, very frankly. And we also spoke in this meeting with President George Bush, and consequently, the President understood this issue. And we have heard the statements given by the Secretary of State, Dr. Rice, and she has -- her point of view regarding settlements was very positive.
Q President Bush, Prime Minister Olmert said that peace is not alive here as long as Gaza militants continue their threats on Israel. How do you see, President, about -- (inaudible) -- from Gaza?
And for you, President Abbas, how do you intend, actually, to get control of Gaza, and do you think this is possible by the end of the year and by the end of Mr. Bush's presidency?
PRESIDENT BUSH: First of all, Gaza is a tough situation. I don't know whether you can solve it in a year, or not. But I know this: It can't be solved unless the Prime Minister -- the President has a vision that he can lay out to the people of Gaza that says, here's your choice: Do you want those who have created chaos to run your country, or do you want those of us who negotiated a settlement with the Israelis that will lead to lasting peace?
There is a competing vision taking place in Gaza. And in my judgment, Hamas, which I felt ran on a campaign of, we're going to improve your lives through better education and better health, have delivered nothing but misery. And I'm convinced his government will yield a hopeful future. And the best way to make that abundantly clear is for there to be a vision that's understandable.
See, the past has just been empty words, you know. We -- actually it hasn't been that much -- I'm the only President that's really articulated a two-state solution so far -- but saying two states really doesn't have much bearing until borders are defined, right of return issues resolved, Jerusalem is understood, security measures -- the common security measures will be in place. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a clear, defined state around which people can rally.
And there's going to be -- there will be no better difference, a clear difference, than the vision of Hamas in Gaza and the vision of the President and the Prime Minister and his team based here in Ramallah. And to me, that's how you solve the issue in the long-term. And the definition of long-term, I don't know what it means. I'm not a timetable person -- actually, I am on a timetable -- got 12 months. (Laughter.) But I'm impressed by the President's understanding about how a vision and a hopeful future will help clearly define the stakes amongst the Palestinian people.
PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) Gaza it is considered a coup by us, we consider it a coup d'etat what happened in Gaza. Now -- we consider it a coup d'etat. (Laughter.) And we deal with Gaza at two levels. The first is that we deal with the people as part of us and we take full responsibility that is necessary towards our people. We spend in Gaza 58 percent of our budget. This is not to -- it is our duty towards our people that we provide them with all the need.
As for the issue of Hamas, we said that this is a coup and they have to retreat from this coup and they have to recognize international legitimacy, all international legitimacy, and to recognize the Arab Initiative, as well. In this case we will have another talk.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you, all.
END 11:45 A.M. (Local)
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11:12 a.m. (Local)
PRESIDENTE ABBAS: (Come tradotto.) la vostra Eccellenza, il presidente George Bush, presidente degli Stati Uniti d'America, li accolgo favorevolmente in Ramallah, così come in Bethlehem, sulla terra del Palestine, in che li accoglie favorevolmente oggi come ospite grande, che va con lui, impegno verso il processo di pace. È una chiamata storica che dà alla nostra gente la speranza grande nel fatto che la vostra nazione grande è levantesi in piedi e sostenente il loro sogno ed il loro yearning verso la libertà ed indipendenza e vita nella pace in questa zona, accanto ai loro vicini.
La nostra gente non dimenticherà la vostra Eccellenza, il vostro invito ed il vostro impegno verso l'istituzione di un Palestinese indipendente dichiara. Siete il primo presidente americano che conferma e ripete questa destra.
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PRESIDENTE BUSH: Non lo ho ottenuto ancora. Potete dovere cominciare sopra. (Laughter.) non ancora. Migliorate il soggiorno sveglio. (Laughter.)
PRESIDENTE ABBAS: La nostra gente, la vostra Eccellenza --
PRESIDENTE BUSH: Accosento completamente. (Laughter.)
PRESIDENTE ABBAS: Il vostro impegno verso un'istituzione di un Palestinese indipendente dichiara -- siete il primo presidente americano per ripetere questa destra. I congressi di Annapolis e di Parigi erano un punto storico da voi e dalla gente americana ed il mondo nell'insieme per perfezionare questo impegno e per farlo avanzare.
La nostra gente palestinese, che ha commesso a pace come opzione strategica, desidera vedere, con il vostro supporto ed il vostro intervento e la conclusione al relativo suffering ed al suffering della relativa gente e delle loro famiglie e desidera muoversi liberamente nella loro patria e sviluppano la loro vita e la loro economia senza alcuni ostacoli che ostacolano quel progresso e senza una parete di separazione che spezzetta la terra e senza stabilimenti che sta governando la relativi terra e futuro. Desideriamo vedere un futuro differente dove le prigioni non si ammucchiano con i migliaia dei prigionieri e dove gli ospedali non si ammucchiano con i dieci delle vittime non colpevoli giornalieri, senza punti di controllo e code della gente ordinaria che soffre da humiliation e dal siege.
Vorrei precisare qui che abbiamo insegnato al nostro governo per continuare il lavoro verso l'aumento della sicurezza ed ordine pubblico imponente e stabilendo il buon controllo che è basato sulla norma di legge e consolidare il ruolo delle nostre istituzioni democratiche e rinforzare il lavoro della società civile, così come lavoro sulla consolidazione dello sviluppo e riforma amministrativa e finanziaria ed acetato, di modo che possiamo situarci i fondamenti per un moderno e democratico dichiarano.
Ed il governo sta prendendo le misure intense in quanto il senso ed io vorrebbero esprimere il nostro apprezzamento per il supporto della vostra gestione nella sfera economica per sviluppare l'infrastruttura e fornire le nuove occasioni di lavoro e migliora il livello dei servizi e di tutti i altri progetti che contribuiscono nel migliorare le durate e gli stati di vivere per la nostra gente.
Noi ed i nostri vicini israeliani e sotto il vostro patrocinio diretto -- le trattative bilaterali che richiamano tutte le emissioni di condizione finale sono edizioni di nucleo -- che vorremmo concludere queste trattative durante il vostro termine in ufficio e che noi -- si concluderà dal -- conclusione dell'occupazione che ha cominciato in 1967 e che l'istituzione di un Palestinese indipendente dichiara ed il relativo capitale, Gerusalemme, basata sulla vostra visione e sulle risoluzioni internazionali e che troviamo una soluzione giusta per la tragedia dei rifugiati, secondo l'iniziativa araba per pace e secondo il U.N. risoluzioni.
Ed in questa occasione vorrei ripetere prima di voi il nostro impegno a tutti gli nostri obblighi a che abbiamo accosentito. Ed invitiamo l'Israele, pure, per compiere i relativi impegni secondo il programma del programma di strada, perché crediamo saldamente che la pace sia fatta dalla volontà di a e da un impegno comune fra tutti i partiti.
La vostra chiamata storica oggi ai territori palestinesi altamente è apprezzata dalla nostra gente ed è una nuova espressione del vostro impegno profondo verso la stabilizzazione della pace sulla terra di pace. Apprezziamo la serietà completa che caratterizza la vostra chiamata ed i vostri sforzi oggi continuare e costruire e capitalizzare su questa occasione importante che è a disposizione di noi ed agli israeliani.
Cominci con voi un nuovo anno, sperante che questo sia l'anno per la creazione di pace. Sentirete oggi a Bethlehem la richiesta per le preghiere dai mosques e l'annuncio delle flange alla chiesa di Nativity, che conferma il nostro messaggio comune, il messaggio di tolleranza umana e la pace reale che profondamente è sradicata nella nostra coscienza e nella nostra eredità. La vostra presenza oggi fra noi, la vostra Eccellenza, è una reiterazione per la richiesta per completo e la pace giusta che avete richiesto e voi si sono impegnati a. E l'eco di questa chiamata raggiunge tutta la gente ed i paesi nella nostra regione, perché la voce che ora è uscire del Palestine è il più vicino ed il più profondo nel raggiungere i cuori di tutta la gente nella regione.
Prego, la vostra Eccellenza, ritenge pace degli inizio del mondo di qui, dalla terra santa. Accogliamo favorevolmente ancora voi, il nostro caro ospite ed il nostro caro amico, qui nel Palestine.
PRESIDENTE BUSH: Sig. Presidente, grazie per la vostra ospitalità. Abbiamo venuto a contatto di mólto nel passato e sono felice infine di avere una probabilità sedermi giù nel vostro ufficio per discutere le edizioni importanti.
(Interruzione nell'audio di traduzione.) è che funziona? (Laughter.) ascolti, dicono che ho abbastanza problemi parlare inglese mentre è. (Laughter.)
ho avuto occasioni numerose da visitare con il presidente. E la domanda che fondamentale ho è se o non è impegnato in pace. È la stessa domanda che ho avuto per il Primo Ministro dell'Israele. E sono giunto alla conclusione che entrambi gli uomini capiscono che l'importanza a democratico dichiara parallelamente la vita nella pace.
Il presidente Abbas è stato scelto su una piattaforma di pace. Cioè non era appena qualcuno che cominciasse parlarlo ultimamente, lui ha fatto una campagna su esso. Inoltre ha detto che se mi date una probabilità, lavorerò per migliorare le vite dei Palestinesi med
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